In 2002 the Orchard Group (formerly “Go Ye” Chapel Mission) helped plant a Southern Baptist Church in New York City. They did this by providing funding for an intern and a staff member. The church, Mosaic Manhattan, does not hold the biblical view of baptism as a condition for salvation. Here is what their website says: “Eternal life begins the moment we invite Jesus Christ to forgive our sin and lead our life.” There is no reference to baptism in salvation section. Here is what they say about baptism “Baptism is a Christian’s public identification with Christ and His church, a physical symbol of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus and our participation in them.” That is a typical statement by a Baptist church that does not connect baptism with salvation but with obedience that follows salvation. They see it as something done by a Christian to identify with Christ publicly not something done by a sinner to become a Christian. That is the 10% we see. Let’s see if we can find the 90% that is below the surface.
The partial funding of this Baptist church plant by a Brotherhood organization shows that the organization believes that the Baptist view of baptism is just as legitimate as the biblical (RM) view of baptism or at least the difference is not significant enough to make any meaningful distinction. Surely they would not fund a position that they don’t think is a legitimate biblical position especially when it contradicts a defining doctrine of our Brotherhood. This would seem to be true not only of those that made the decision at the Orchard Group but those Brotherhood churches that funded the people on staff. Funding for the additional people on the staff came in part from the largest church in our Brotherhood. Apparently, they feel that the Baptist position is just as legitimate as the Biblical (RM) position as demonstrated by partially funding the project. Justification was made that they were just funding an intern so he could learn from the experience but further examination shows the involvement was much deeper than that.
The leader (director) of the Orchard Group is also an editor of the CS, the most influential publication in the Brotherhood. Thus, we have one of, if not the. most influential people in our Brotherhood who also leads another major Brotherhood organization, using Brotherhood funds, and Brotherhood staff to start a church that contradicts defining doctrines of our Brotherhood, baptism for the remission of sins and weekly communion. The acceptance of these positions as legitimate options is further seem by the editor/director being a guest speaker and teacher at the Southern Baptist church plant. Funding the additional staff person also shows the involvement was deeper than just an intern.
Initially, the Orchard Group presented the church plant as their church plant. In their early publications reporting on it there was no mention of the Southern Baptist connection. Only later when they were challenged by the Restoration Herald about planting a “faith only” church did they begin to say it wasn’t really one of their church plants but they were just funding an intern there. Although the later story is perhaps more accurate, it understated the level of Orchard Group involvement. The way the story unfolded made the Orchard Group appear to be deceptive.
Let me now discuss the most important part of this whole story.
When the Restoration Herald brought this to light what was the result? Nothing. There may have been unseen consequence but nothing public. It should also be noted that events like this and the lack of meaning response to them is why many are withdrawing from events like the NACC and dropping their subscription to the CS. The latter is what I did.
Since key brotherhood leaders and institutions help plant a church that contradicts defining Brotherhood doctrines and practices without there being in meaningful consequence, our new understanding of baptism as been defined by default. It is now acceptable in the Restoration Movement to see baptism as an act of obedience for the believer. This is a very important point so let me say it again. If brotherhood leaders and institutions are able to plant churches that hold a view of baptism that is at odds with our view of baptism then it become acceptable to hold that new view of baptism. The failure of the Brotherhood to exercise discipline on this occasions makes the new view acceptable. The failure of the movers and shakers to correct the act is a de facto support of it. It redefined our doctrine of baptism and changed the Restoration Movement into the Christian Church Movement. Thus, those that want to continue the old Restoration Movement are forced to withdraw weakening the resistance to the shift. Once the boundaries and definitions were changed by the lack of response it made it possible for them to be further moved. I will post about that later.
Here is a very important point. The shift is reveal not only by the actions of the Orchard Group but more importantly by the response in the Brotherhood. The Orchard Groups actions revealed the shift and tested it. The failure of the Brotherhood to correct those actions legitimized them and reinforced the shift making it possible for the shift to continue and accelerate. A shift has taken place. Those with eyes can see it.
Update: I am adding a link to the 2004 Editorial in the Restoration Herald that deals with this. It is in July and is titled “An Open Letter . . .”
http://www.thecra.org/2004%20Editorials.htm
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Be careful how you proceed on this one. I am confident that a fair amount of careless thought has gone into people’s decisions in some of the organizations to which you refer. It is difficult to judge how much, but I hope you do not contribute to burning down the building that still has several thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal in it. We have been through one split (with the Disciples) where we lost virtually all of the colleges. I am hoping another split can be avoided and the colleges and other institutions of our RM associations can be maintained and groomed for even greater service in the years ahead. Too much pushing and shoving could place the institutions on the morass of evangelicalism that is going through its own form of dilution from significance.
You should join the ChristiansOnly forum if you want more discussion on this topic. Hopefully, you are already there. Most of those who were formerly on the CCT forum have migrated there. One of the moderators I think would be glad to admit you. I have begun a thread there on the topic. The link is:
http://christiansonly.proboards77.com
God bless.
OleDave
OleDave,
Good to hear from you. I always enjoyed your post, rare now, at CCT. I am familiar with the forum you mentioned but I need to remain anonymous and I don’t believe that is possible there.
I appreciate your encouragement of caution and would definitely appreciate someone telling me if I have written anything that is inaccurate. I sincerely mean that. However, I do not share your opinion that carelessness was behind the decisions I mentioned. I have personally spoken with people out East about the matter of which I wrote so I do not write simple as one watching things from the distance. In fact, I could have added more details to the above post but held back and will post related stories that show that a pattern not carelessness is at work.
I think you are the “victim” of a syndrome that I will write about later, the blinded by friendship syndrome. We find it very difficult to objectively evaluate the actions of those we like and we like those that are movers and shakers in our Brotherhood. Thus, we give them the benefit of the doubt and more and are overly skeptical of those who point out the shortcomings. This syndrome was also at work with the Disciples split. I can stil hear the echos from the 1920s “Those dear brothers and good speakers can’t be wrong at what they are doing Just ignore those reactionary crack pots.” They did and the split came and the colleges were lost. Your advice seems likely to produce the very thing you say you are trying to avoid.
To be honest, I think my posts have the potential to do more to keep us together than continuing the “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” policy. It is the dysfunctional family that does not discuss its problems until there is a blow up. As things are currently progressing we are well on our way to a new split much like the one with the Disciples. Not talking about it will not prevent it. Discussing it will but who is talking about? No one to my knowledge. In fact, there is an intentional decision not to discuss the issues I bring up. If one responds, it keeps an issue alive. So the decision is being made not to respond. A discussion can’t keep going if one party refuse to discuss. Again, I have personal knowledge that this strategy is being employed.
To switch your burning down the building metaphor, I am setting back fires in hopes that it will keep the forest fire that is blazing from destroying the Brotherhood. The institutions are already flirting with the morass of evangelicalism and ready to jump in. My words will not cause that and will likely have little effect in preventing it. The situations is much further along than you believe and it is increasingly clear to me that it is even further along than I had realized.
I am not aware of any efforts by the movers and shakers to reach out those who have withdrawn. If you are, please let me know. They are treating the Brotherhood they way they treat those in their churches, “Get with the program or get off the bus.”
Thanks again for your comment. Please continue to do your best to keep me honest.
OleDave,
I have added a link on the original post to the Editorial in the Restoration Herald that deals with this. It is in July and is titled “An Open Letter . . .”
http://www.thecra.org/2004%20Editorials.htm
I think this editorial supports my belief that the Orchard Group was not forthright about the nature of the plant from the start.
It is not merely a matter of honesty with which you requested help to keep. It is a matter of the first and second greatest commandments. Can I also help you with those two? Take care that you do not use “your liberty (to speak freely out of your anonymity) for a cloak of maliciousness.” (1 Pet. 2:16)
Your “blind” friend,
OleDave
OleDave,
Yes, you may help with those two as well. I am listening. Please be specific as to how what I have done is not loving of God or my neighbor.
What have I said that is malicious? I have simply reported on what is taking place. I am playing the role of historian. Just because what a historian reports is unpleasant does not make him malicious.
You help make the point of what the Scripture says and precisely how it says it. “Please be specific,” “What have I said that is malicious?”, and the claim to being merely an innocent historian belie the fact that maliciousness is usually cloaked among professing Christians. Obviously, I cannot know what is under your cloak. No one but you and God can know that with assurance, but I do know that liberty can be used as a cloak to hide maliciousness.
So I believe my caution was appropriate. I am merely trying to keep you honest with yourself when no one can judge your ultimate motives, when no one else is looking, and when no one else knows who you are in your determined anonymity. Denial is the first form of defense of the guilty as well as the innocent.
FYI — I communicated with OldDad who oversees the CoF forum that has essentially taken the place of the CCT forum. I spoke with him about having you join with your perceived need for anonymity. He would be glad to have you on the CoF forum, but you would at least have to bare your identity to him. As OldDad told me, “I’m really the safest person to enroll him – since I’m largely out of the RM loop, I wouldn’t have anyone to tell! Anyway, I will guarantee him complete confidentiality in his dealings with me.” So there you have it, hopefully having one person who knows your true identity that you would need to trust is a hurdle you can jump.
OleDave,
I am not sure what you mean by “You can help make the point of what the Scripture says and precisely how it says it.”
You have raised the question of whether I am being malicious. That is fine. Caution is always in order. However, it seems that you are less concerned with the facts I present than you are with my motives. You want to change the discussion from whether and to what degree there is a shift away from the Biblical view of baptism in the Brotherhood to what are the motives of those pointing out the shift, my motives.
You are engaging in an ad hominem argument, which “consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.” One of the benefits of anonymity, at least in theory, is that it avoids getting sidetracked by ad hominem arguments. I believe my motives are pure but I know that we are all prone to self deception. Thus, I will rely on you and other to be SPECIFIC about where I have written in error or maliciously. However, in the end, motivation is secondary to truth. Better a person who speaks the truth with false motives than one who lies with good motives. You seem to be of the opposite opinion. It seems odd to me that you think that by knowing who I am, even though you will have never met me in person, you will be able to judge my motives. And then, having judged my motives from a distance with no personal knowledge of me, you will be able to judge the truth of what I am saying. Or does the truth not matter, only my motives? The truth of the situation stands or falls apart from my motives so I don’t know the benefit that comes from hoping to understand them besides as Paul’s wrote, “For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him?” Perhaps, being too concerned with perceived motives rather than truth is why we are in this mess in the first place?
I might well question your motives but I don’t. I believe that you are just wrong about the best way to maintain unity. You seem to think avoiding a discussion of the problem is the best way to handle it rather than deal with it head on. Perhaps I am in denial about my motives but perhaps you are in denial about the gravity of the situation we face and the best way to respond to it. The current silence is producing more disunity not less. Ironic. You see your role as keeping me honest with myself and and I see my role as keeping the Brotherhood honest with itself. In spite of your reluctance to let me play my role, I will gladly let you play yours.
With regard to your suggestion about the CofF forum, it has merit. I had similar thoughts but did not how to go about it. I will give it some more thought. But I was also wondering why not discuss things on the CCT forums? It would allow more people to participate. I realize that it is no longer as active as it used to be but obviously the old crowd still visits there or you would not have stumbled over my blog.
Woe! Slow down! You have derived far more from my few words of caution than is warranted.
PS: OldDad said that if you were interested in joining the CoF forum, you need to e-mail him before trying to join. If you decide that you want to pursue that option, communicate with me or have someone communicate with me via my contact information on the CCT forum, and I will send you his e-mail information that he suggested you use so you can get past the entrance gate of the forum. You could perhaps try e-mailing OldDad from the CCT forum if you would prefer to bypass me altogether.
Hmmm. You make three comments all about cautioning me, nothing about the actual post, and I need to slow down? Very well.
I may contact OldDad but why CofF and not CCT?
Come on over to the CoF forum, and you will see. Virtually all of the people who have engaged you positively on the CCT forum are there and a whole lot more. There are a few of us other kind there too that will try to keep you honest and non-malicious — enough to at least keep you on your toes.
I started a thread over there prompted by your most recent CCT thread. The discussion thread is called, “Is Dialogue Possible?” I would love to have you as part of it where you could speak for and defend yourself.
The decline of the CCT forum I believe was caused by the veil of anonymity that was used extensively to make discussions mean-spirited AND there were no moderators to hold it in check. I believe most forum regulars would agree with that perspective. Some of the men even received nasty phone calls from people who used their personal information they had shared on the website. Some of them even experienced such phone calls being made to their wives and their elders. When those things began to transpire, I think several decided an unmoderated forum that allowed people to register at will and operate from behind a cloak of anonymity with no functional moderators was not a good thing.
I recommended to the CCT forum operators fairly early in my time on the CCT forum that they institute volunteer moderators to at least guarantee a common level of civility. They said that they would take the idea under consideration. It has been over two years and still nothing has been done that I know of. Of course, so few discuss there now, that the need is not great.
The CoF forum is moderated, but it is also private. After what a few experienced, it was decided to take the forum private. I did not agree with that move, but it is the way it is. I cannot imagine anyone shaking my world with a critical phone call to my wife or my church leaders. They’d probably be laughed off at best and told to go get a life at worst.
Anyway, I hope to see you on the “real RM” forum.